Whilst I found much of Catherine Fitzpatrick's style of communication and apparent unwillingness to listen to reasoned argument a trial in the first couple of weeks of the Connectivism and Connect Knowledge course run by George Siemens and Stephen Downes, I have to say a few of her recent posts on the topic of the forums and blogs and whether there is a problem with dominant voices to be 'on the mark'. She has introduced a rating mechanism for the blogs, which she acknowledges has some subjectivity in its nature, but which I feel relatively comfortable with over all - she has posted on it in the course forums.
This 'blog' only attracts a rating of '2' because there are not many comments let by visitors - which isn't a problem, as far as I am concerned, and may indeed be caused by her observation (which I am re-phrasing slightly) that I tend to post closely argued content, and also by the fact I am not all that bothered about formatting my posts to clarify things for the reader. I should be more concerned about that, but the blog is not primarily for disseminating my ideas and work, but more of a way of making sure I know where I have posted things. I also post some material on my RedGloo blog (and even more rarely on other blogs).
One choice Fitzpatrick has made in assessing another blog is that an rss feed of tweets (from Twitter) doesn't constitute a blog. I think this is slightly unfair (although I haven't read the blog, so the overall assessment may be reasonable) as I see Twittering as a form of microblogging, and an aggregation of microblogs brings them back to the macro scale, thus forming a blog. Probably, in general, not a very coherent blog, but a blog nevertheless.
The point Fitzpatrick makes, though, is that the 'dominant voices' on the course forums are, in fact the same voices heard in the blogosphere. Whilst the figures are harder to get, it would be interesting to know how many reads the various blogs on the list get. A relatively current list of blogs being used by course members is available in OPML courtesy of Steve Tuffill re-using Stephen Downes' OPML file (which I haven't been in search of, and Tuffill made the location of his easier to find by putting it on the forum (shock! horror!))
I've mentioned this on the forums (somewhere) - I think the major problem with expecting (or hoping) for discussion to take place in the blogsphere is that it really is not suited to having conversations about things. It is more like the old days where the only means of communication over a distance was by letter - whilst it allows for a more considered point to be made, it lacks much of the spontaneity found in most forum systems I have used. Blogs are a personal space used by many (most, I believe) to expound upon an idea (or to blog about what the owners cat did last Thursday) - they are a great tool for reflection, if you don't mind reflecting in the public gaze, but actually not much good for dialogue. Threaded forums, on the other hand, provide (for me, and I know others disagree) a practical way of viewing and participating in conversations, complete with side topics.
I mentioned that I have always found side topics (off topic chat) some of the most valuable contributions on forums. Apparently that did not sit well with Stephen Downes who then attempted a roasting (more of a weak sun on a foggy day in September, but still, the intent appeared to be there) by saying that I was bound to think the forums were good because I post on them.
It does concern me that I make a lot of posts on any given channel. I have stopped posting so many things on RedGloo because I do not want to scare our Freshers away from it by having too much to say. On the other hand, there are a lot of things I have an opinion on - and I believe that often it is an informed opinion (actually I believe it is normally an informed opinion, but really that is up to others to judge). Three cases tend to happen in a multi-party discussion:
1) somebody posts and nobody responds
2) somebody says something blatantly daft
3) somebody says something blatantly right
(there are some middle ground cases, but surprisingly not that many in my experience)
My responses to these cases are:
1) To reply because I value the input from the someone and want to hear more of what they have to say
2) To try to point out why I believe the content is daft
3) To support the sensible contributions by letting the author know I agree, and why
Often a post just makes me think of a connection which is new to me (or remind me of an old one) and the discussion channel seems to me to be the right place to post it.
So why haven't I posted this on the course forum?
Because I am increasingly getting the impression that Downes doesn't appreciate people taking up the space on the server (or has some other reason for not liking people posting there)
Because I am concerned that others will think I am 'stealing all the oxygen' (strange concept in a forum which has no air but nevermind)
Because there is content in Fitzpatrick's post which I think speaks to a wider audience, relating to the nature of blogs versus forums in education.
Because our surveys of students tell us that students want to have discussions in forums (though this may be because they are not familiar with other modes of discussion, I suppose)
And, if I am honest, because I haven't blogged much over the last few days because I have been busy with academic affairs.
Pat Parslow writes about Catherine Fitzpatrick’s blog rating system. I admit that I haven’t been following the forums much, so I didn’t know about this. I was pleasantly surprised to find that my blog was among those rated. That...
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I think you may be missing the point a bit
I agree with most of your points. I also think forums are great for many purposes, easier and more suited to develop discussions than blogs. Blogs require more time, more effort and more skills than forums, and most people simply won't be able to participate in conversations through them. It's good to have both. And I don't share the negative perspective of the course forums Stephen Downes has; I believe there is a lot of good material in them. CF is right when she points out that blogs are not doing a better job at developing the conversation in the course.
BUT:
- the problem with Catherine Fitzpatrick is not what she says or how much she contributes, but the fact that she sometimes chooses to behave as a troll and a bully, and then tries to divert the question into one of free speech and what-not, poses as a champion of the fee Internet, bla bla;
- she is offensive and intimidating, calling people names and saying that's OK in a discussion, labels people left and right (generally left :)) in a totally unfair and unfounded way, and then says people are thin-skinned, can't take a criticism and plays the victim;
- this is not a big deal for experienced Internet users, but can be a huge turn off for people who are not, driving them away from the discussion, and worse, developing a resistance and a inhibition to the use of ICT;
- there will always be big differences in forum participation, just as there are in blog posts - some people have more to say, say it better, are more committed, etc. It's a known fact that CF has pointed out several times that only a small percentage of people contribute to any community (and so in forums) while the majority lurk or post a lot less - no different from real life. So, I have no problems with that, in fact, I appreciate that some people take the time and effort to share and help things move forward;
- off topic is OK and can be valuable if you don't over do it and totally hijack a thread, turning it into a discussion about what concerns you and frustrating the topic starter's concerns. If you really feel you need to go on a different direction altogether, well, start your own thread to address that;
- forums should be moderated, always, they can not turn into a place where some people bully others around and seriously undermine what they are trying to do there. This is no different from what happens in any human communication context, be it a classroom, a conference, or blog comments - you don't have to (in fact, you shouldn't) bear with bullies. And if you are the person (one of the persons) organizing a course, a conference, a workshop, a meeting, etc., it's your responsibility to make sure people respect some basic social rules to make the environment safe (in a broad sense).
I welcome dissent and love a good argument/debate, but I loathe trolling and bullying (that's because I'm a teacher, I guess). A quick search on the Internet after the first interventions by CF showed that this is her MO: everywhere she goes she behaves like this. In fact, she seems to see this as a personal quest - she intentionally goes to places she is not interested in (like this course) to play this part. Go figure.
José Mota
I don't know about missing the point...
but I do agree with all of your points :-)
Not all blogs on her "list"
Unless she is going to round up all the blogs, her results will be inconclusive. I don't participate in the forum because of the negativity.
Just my observation.
Agreed
I completely agree that without a full survey (in this case - in some situations sampling may be adequate) the results will be inconclusive. And it is hard to imagine that they will be without bias too. But from what I have seen so far, it appears that the bias has been reined in, and the current conclusions seem to be fairly accurate.